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Leitner

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Cheat Engine?
« on: Aug 01, 2009; 12:38 AM »
Alright so I decided to try out some hex editing on a few of my characters to see what sort of trouble I could make. Initially I tried downloading the HxD program and ran into problems. I brought my problem to Berit and he discovered it was because I was using 64bit windows which is not compatible.

Cheat engine allows me to selected hellgate_sp_dx9_x64.exe I am still not sure if this is the right process to be selecting and it doesn't have the HG icon but perhaps this is something to do with CE. Either way the program seems much more complex and after tinkering around with it for a while I discovered absolutly nothing... So I have two questions here. A could someone point me in the right direction as far as using cheat engine. and B does anyone know the hex value for green items (I would prefer turning green to yellow as it would spare my injectors and scrap components etc.) Or does that for some reason not work.
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Re: Cheat Engine?
« Reply #1 on: Aug 01, 2009; 01:18 AM »
1) It is very complicated, in terms of its different...ness..
Once you get used to it, it is much easier than anything else.
You should start over here:
http://http://forum.cheatengine.org/
2)No idea..
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Re: Cheat Engine?
« Reply #2 on: Aug 01, 2009; 02:38 AM »
2) Item quality: 00 00 c0 31 xx 00 00 00

Replace 'XX' with one of the following codes:

    01 normal,
    02 enhanced, This one for 'Green' Items ("00 00 c0 31 02 00 00 00" in hex)
    03 rare,
    04 legendary,
    05 mutant,
    06 unique,
    07 enhanced,
    08 rare,
    09 legendary,
    0a mutant,
    0b unique,[/list]

    07 and above is for mods,
    Armour and Weapons use 01, 02, 03,04 and 06.


    I'm not sure what 'Mutant' is, although I think it had something to do with Subscriber or Multiplayer only ??
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    Re: Cheat Engine?
    « Reply #3 on: Aug 01, 2009; 03:17 AM »
    Mutant items are those items bosses only drop such as "Shulgoth's Sword of Nightmares". In the next patch we are making these item's more obvious  8-)
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    Re: Cheat Engine?
    « Reply #4 on: Aug 01, 2009; 04:08 AM »
    NOOoooo! :)
    Don't change green items, you won't get an actual unique item, only a yellow item.
    Say you have a green "Accurate Fire Bolter", when you change item quality all you'll get is a yellow "Accurate Fire Bolter", not a unique version of the Fire Bolter.
    If you're worried about your scrap, well it's too late now, either you go ahead and change the item quality and sell your scrap and start again(obviously not rare scrap and nanoshards), or you don't and hope you find the unique in the store.
    Or, you could go ahead and change it, but go through one instance of the item quality at a time and make sure you skip the scrap.
    Oh yeah, cheat engine can't 'replace all' like Hxd can(but it doesn't work on 64 bit), so you pretty much have to do it one at a time anyway.

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    Re: Cheat Engine?
    « Reply #5 on: Aug 01, 2009; 04:38 AM »
    Then too, if all you're worried about is having enough scrap materials, you can use this hack to solve the problem ...(BTW , I don't recommend going over 4500, that way you can scrap other items later without lesser used parts clogging up you're inventory

      Stack size: 00 00 C0 49 xx 00 00 00 00 00 00 4A yy 00 00 00
      xx is the maximum number in the stack, eg 20 for injectors or 5000 for components.
      yy is the current number in the stack.[/b]


    BTW ... Muled from member 'freekyjason' over on the old Revival forum site

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    I use cheat engine 5.5 for process editing, and hex workshop for file editing.

    both on 64bit vista first, now 64bit windows 7
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    Re: Cheat Engine?
    « Reply #6 on: Aug 02, 2009; 03:38 AM »
    cheat engine can be a handful to start with, and yes you are selecting the right process. the icon doesnt show for me either (although my cousin using pretty much the same setup has an icon... weird huh?)

    drop by the cheat engine forums linked higher up, great source of info, and easier than someone trying to write a whole new tutorial for it. its pretty decent for editing memory on the go, but like anything else can cause errors editing a running process :P ive found it not as useful with static files, so hex workshop is my preferred editor for those.

    glad i found a couple to work on 64bit as my stupid motherboard wont allow memory remapping so without 64bit installed i only get to use 1.5g from 6g of my RAM. anyone in the market for a motherboard stay away from XFX :/
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    Re: Cheat Engine?
    « Reply #7 on: Aug 03, 2009; 06:06 AM »
    Alright I have been messing around with cheat engine some more and playing with tutorials etc. From what I can see cheat engine is far more robust in terms of specific capabilities etc (though lack of a few features such as replace all is rather annoying) But I don't fully understand why some of my scans are not working correctly.

    Using the tutorial that comes with the program teaches you about the different scan types i.e. exact value, value between, etc. If use a search for a value between 10 and 20 for example I get a list of options that presumably includes the target address if I was searching for a value of 15. If I then increase the value to say 21 and do a search for increase value it looks for a value from that list that has been increased to my understanding, however, this does not actually seen to work in reality.

    So in essense I don't suppose someone could shed light on the hole in my logic regarding this?
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    Re: Cheat Engine?
    « Reply #8 on: Aug 03, 2009; 06:11 AM »
    Okay, silly question.
    When you change that value from say 15 to 21, do you save it then do a scan for the new value?
    Maybe it only looks at the actual data loaded and not an unsaved value.

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    Re: Cheat Engine?
    « Reply #9 on: Aug 03, 2009; 06:32 AM »
    What exactly are you scanning for Leitner?

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    Re: Cheat Engine?
    « Reply #10 on: Aug 03, 2009; 06:43 AM »
    i have that all the time, especially searching for things like skill points, experience and palladium :P

    first scan will give 20+ results, next cuts it down a little, then sometimes the third can gives no results, or only 1 or a couple, but they arent the right ones. seems to be either losing the memory its scanning or hellgate is moving things around. im inclined to go with the latter.

    pretty sure the memory location is being changed on the fly, which makes narrowing down results a bit of hit n miss. you have to be pretty quick at alt tabbing, making a change, rescanning, then changing the result you want.

    so far ive managed to edit skill points, attribute points, experience and palladium with cheat engine. but ive had to be persistent (and growl a lot), and quick, to get it to work
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    Re: Cheat Engine?
    « Reply #11 on: Aug 03, 2009; 06:49 AM »
    I know it's been a while since I used it, but I don't remember having trouble using cheat engine to find the hex offsets from the adjusteditemproperties.pdf.
    I'd suggest doing that, rather than scanning for the values themselves, if you're not already doing it.

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    Re: Cheat Engine?
    « Reply #12 on: Aug 03, 2009; 06:54 AM »
    Seems silly to ask ... but you guys are actually hitting the 'Escape' key to bring up the ingame menu aren't you ? The memory address shouldn't change at all once you hit escape, as it pauses the game and therefore 'pauses' the memory addresses ... just don't exit all the way until AFTER you've finished editing, then ALT-TAB back to hellgate click exit game and it should THEN save you're changes to file ... I admit that I've never used cheat engine, so maybe it works differently
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    Re: Cheat Engine?
    « Reply #13 on: Aug 03, 2009; 07:02 AM »
    *blushes* escape key? ofc... ummm yeah.. /me hides
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    Re: Cheat Engine?
    « Reply #14 on: Aug 03, 2009; 07:08 AM »
    :D Happens to the best of us ... no worries ... Keep the info coming though if you can, because it seems you have more experience with cheat engine so ...
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