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Iftik

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What do with the Cube?
« on: May 30, 2015; 03:24 PM »
I hope this is in the right sections. I kinda need support with this one. So after having trouble to get the game to work I can finally play. So I backupped my characters and tried the Cube. And I have no idea what to do with it. I read up a tutorial on this forums, but the explanation was like "do things and watch the picture" Sadly, the pics aren't available.
So I looked up another tutorial. It said things like " 3 random bvlue items can be made in 1 blue random" SO I put 3 blues into the cube. Nothing happened. I tried with 3 oranges. Nothing happenes.
I looked up another tutorial. It said: "use scrap parts and so on for different items and you can build random things" I tried a combination. Had more than enough parts in the cube, nothing happened.
What can I do with the cube, and how can I build things via the recipe list in the cube? How do I get item reroll tokens?

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Re: What do with the Cube?
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2015; 04:45 PM »
I hope this is in the right sections. I kinda need support with this one. So after having trouble to get the game to work I can finally play. So I backupped my characters and tried the Cube. And I have no idea what to do with it. I read up a tutorial on this forums, but the explanation was like "do things and watch the picture" Sadly, the pics aren't available.
So I looked up another tutorial. It said things like " 3 random bvlue items can be made in 1 blue random" SO I put 3 blues into the cube. Nothing happened. I tried with 3 oranges. Nothing happenes.
I looked up another tutorial. It said: "use scrap parts and so on for different items and you can build random things" I tried a combination. Had more than enough parts in the cube, nothing happened.
What can I do with the cube, and how can I build things via the recipe list in the cube? How do I get item reroll tokens?

I can help, a little...

What works for me:

1 -  Two of a tool - health, "mana" (power?), fire retard, antidote = one of the next better thing.

E.g. 2 x basic health = 2 medium health... 2 x med health = 1 large. All the way up to nanodyne health, the bestest.

2 - I think you NEED the recipe for something in order to create it, even if you can see the ingredients in that drop-down listing in the cube.

3 - I have NEVER, ever, seen any of the tokens, no reroll, no gamble, etc.

4 - I have hundreds of those orb things, beast orb, demon orb, and no idea what to do with them.

5 - like you, i have not ever had any luck with "random build"

I also found 4 of the skill potions, but only one worked, gave me a skill point.

They showed a huge value in the store but I wasn't allowed to sell them r drop them - all you can do is drink them and nothing happens after potion #1.

I dunno if this whole thing is borked FUBAR or if you're supposed to wait (I waited about 1/2 hour real time between drinks!).

I can't help any more than this though.

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Re: What do with the Cube?
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2015; 07:45 AM »
Okay, first of all, my apologies to everyone who has had issues with the token recipes, that was my project.
I have just tried them again and have found out that I didn't do anywhere near enough testing of them.
Here's the setup:
There's a templar guard in holborn station who is supposed to sell the tokens, well he does but accessing him is a pain in the arse.
I started a new character, went to holborn, spoke to him, saw that I could access his inventory, but couldn't buy anything since I had nowhere near enough palladium.
That's fine, I'll just go complete all of the missions there.
Did that and tried to access again and got his flavour text comment(which happens when you can go to covent garden approach), and that was it. While I could click on him again, I couldn't access his inventory. Great.
So I went to tottenham court road and back, then tried again with no luck.
It took me logging out of the character, and back in before I could access his inventory, and after that I couldn't do it a second time.
So I will fix that, and in fact I will let all merchants sell the tokens. Having said that, it will probably be only Oarf who will sell them since I haven't worried about increasing their item levels. But I will provide more information on that in the release topic, when I do it.

I hope that covers that part, now I'll quickly go over the recipes themselves.

While there are certain recipes that need blueprints to create, cube recipes don't, and they don't need to be known before you can create them.
As Morphy mentioned in point 1 for the consumables, 2 of a lesser version will create the next version up, 2 lesser injector = 1 medium injector, 2 medium = 1 large, etc.

Regarding the tokens there are three main types, with various subtypes.
In no particular order we have reroll tokens, upgrade tokens, and random tokens.

Reroll tokens come in three subtypes; enhanced, rare and legendary, and they, combined with an item of that quality(enhanced, rare or legendary) will produce a new item of that same quality.

Upgrade tokens, also come in three types, enhanced, rare and legendary. They're slightly different, in that they use an item of lesser quality, and upgrade to the quality of their type. For example, and enhanced upgrade token requires a common item, an enhanced upgrade token, and a nanoshard and produces an enhanced item. On that note, rare upgrades require two nanoshards, and legendary require three. Considering using the nanoforge requires nanoshards, I made the decision for these to require them as well.

Random tokens come in a bucketload of subtypes, even sub-subtypes, perhaps even sub-sub-subtypes.
There is Item, Weapon, Armour, Misc, 1hgun, 2hgun, Focus, Sword, Shield, Helm, Shoulders, Torso, Arms, Belt, Pants, Boots, Mod, Ammo, Battery, Fuel, Relic, Rocket, Tech, Consumable, Hunter, Cabalist, and finally Templar.
So if the Item token is cubed by itself it will produce a random item of any type.
If the Item and one of the faction tokens were cubed, then a random item for that faction is produced.
And then using Item, Cabalist, and 1hgun, would produce a random 1 handed Cabalist gun. And it could be of any quality, though I don't remember if it will be close to the character's level.
So every one of these recipes does require the Item token, but it is the cheapest, also their buy and sell prices are the same so changes of minds will not be penalised. However they do not drop, you can only buy them.
Now the essence recipes. They, unsurprisingly, require a number of essences, 5 to be exact, and the Mod token, and they produce various mods with bonus damage versus the monster types.

Regarding those skill potions, I don't know.
Yes, that comment while short, sweet and to the point, is pretty useless, but I'll will try to find out.

Edit: I have no idea about the skill potion. The game doesn't have anything else like it, or like the skill it uses. So, I'll change them so that they can be both sold(no change to the price) and destroyed. However, chances are that any existing one will not be affected by the change, so if that is the case, then the only thing to do with it/them is store them right down the bottom of the stash. Not the most elegant of solutions I know, but if that's all we can do then that's all we can do.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2015; 10:39 AM by Malachor »

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Re: What do with the Cube?
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2015; 02:03 PM »
This clear it up very good thank you. For me the NPC works every time I talk to him. Reroll tokens work, but sometimes I lose a quality. My blues went down to greens and it rerolls orange into turquiose which makes them not rerollable again, Upgrade tokens work.
Random tokens seem being bugged. I put one one-handed-gun token and a hunter item token into the cube, nothing happenes. Or do I need Shards for it, too?

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Re: What do with the Cube?
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2015; 04:28 PM »
Malachor - mate, thanks for all that and the continued work.

The skill potions aren't an issue with inventory - even though #2 and on don't do anything, you can still drink them to get rid of them.

I never knew about the Holborn guy... odd... I usually click anyone with the " " just for flavour text.

Thanks!

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Re: What do with the Cube?
« Reply #5 on: Jun 01, 2015; 04:14 AM »
Iftik, you also need the Item token as well as the 1hgun and Hunter tokens.
Morphy, he should also have the "pound" symbol above his head like the other merchants have.

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Re: What do with the Cube?
« Reply #6 on: Jun 01, 2015; 12:42 PM »
Isn't it what I did Malachor?
So for a random item I need to put for example: 1x1-hand-gun-item-token AND 1xHunter-item-token into the cube? I did so and nothing happened.

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Re: What do with the Cube?
« Reply #7 on: Jun 01, 2015; 02:15 PM »
Iftik, you also need the Item token as well as the 1hgun and Hunter tokens.
Morphy, he should also have the "pound" symbol above his head like the other merchants have.

In that case, he definitely don't exist for me!

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Re: What do with the Cube?
« Reply #8 on: Jun 02, 2015; 03:58 AM »
Isn't it what I did Malachor?
So for a random item I need to put for example: 1x1-hand-gun-item-token AND 1xHunter-item-token into the cube? I did so and nothing happened.
There are three, not just two, tokens you need to use for that recipe.
1. Item token.
2. 1hgun token.
3. Hunter token.

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Re: What do with the Cube?
« Reply #9 on: Jun 02, 2015; 09:24 AM »
Found it. Kinda hard to see if it's the same colour as the others and somewhere in the middle of nowhere :)
Can you explain to me why Items lose a rarity if you enhance them or reroll them?
I got rare+ Legendary upgrade token > enhanced.
Rolled rare + rare reroll token > enhanced.
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Re: What do with the Cube?
« Reply #10 on: Jun 03, 2015; 03:02 AM »
Found it. Kinda hard to see if it's the same colour as the others and somewhere in the middle of nowhere :)
Can you explain to me why Items lose a rarity if you enhance them or reroll them?
I got rare+ Legendary upgrade token > enhanced.
Rolled rare + rare reroll token > enhanced.
Yes, it is hard to see, though it is the cheapest at about 446. I'll see if I can change the order they're all displayed in the stores.
How many times has the recipes downgraded the item quality?
The explanation is pretty simple; it's due to not knowing completely how the treasure file works. Though I am trying a different method.

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Re: What do with the Cube?
« Reply #11 on: Jun 03, 2015; 03:48 PM »
I tried to upgrade 5 greens to orange.
All 5 went up to blue.
After it one went to a bad purple, 3 went to an orange, a to this turquoise with horrendous stats.
I rerolled the 3 oranges. 2 went down to a green after 2-3 rerolls, 1 went to a bad turquoise.
My result from 3 greens and a big amount of Shards/money are: 2 turquoise, which I think are only good for crushing most of the time, 1 purple which is worse than all my blues/oranges, and 2 greens.
Also is it possible to get Reroll-Tokens for yellow, purple and those turquoise items and kinda make the rerolls impossible to downgrade/go into that bad "two-sided-rarity" direction?

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Re: What do with the Cube?
« Reply #12 on: Jun 04, 2015; 02:22 AM »
That's way too much, I was expecting the recipes to work better than that. I will see what I can do about the recipes downgrading the items.
Why do you want to reroll uniques(yellows)? They don't have randomised affixes, though some may have randomised slots.
I don't want to add more recipes since each item needs it's own recipe for each operation(there's approximately 1900 recipes for rerolling for the three item qualities).

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Re: What do with the Cube?
« Reply #13 on: Jun 04, 2015; 02:30 AM »
Okay, didn't know about yellows being fixed. Okay that's cool. Still the other things are very depressing if you have an orange with good stats but not what you want and you get a green from rerolling...

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Re: What do with the Cube?
« Reply #14 on: Jun 15, 2015; 08:24 AM »
Just a quick post.
I've gone through several cube recipe variations, with little difference in success.
For the upgrade recipes, the best I was able to get was an 88% success rate, with the remaining 12%, the item gets destroyed. There's no other result that I saw.
With the reroll recipes, well they're worse. They can either reroll successfully, downgrade one or more qualities, or destroy the item. The biggest problem is that the item destruction is random but is eventually guaranteed. Unless the item has been downgraded so as to not be suitable for the recipe.
So, if I used a rare reroll and it downgrades to normal(which is a fairly common occurrence), then it won't be suitable, so it can be upgraded, if you wanted to take the risk. If however, it does reroll the rare item it will either reroll or destroy the item. And that can happen the first time, or the ninth time(I never had an item survive past nine rerolls).
All up, I tested these recipes on a couple of hundred items, so I'd like to think that I've exhausted most possibilities, and I can't think of anything else to try. So I may end up removing them.